Yale Jackson Institute for Global Affairs Virtual Admissions Panel for Fulbright Scholars

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Great So what I'm going to ask you to do it looks like you're already in the queue in a box. You know if you if you have questions already. Feel free to type them in. I'll get to them. Shortly wait for few minutes to let you have a lot of people who registered for this. I just want to make sure that people can get in and then I'll give you an overview little bit about my background. I'm really excited to be talking to you guys 'cause I know that.

You're either a former Fulbright scholar or a current Fulbright Scholar, Anne.

Um, I am also in the Fulbright family. So I'll talk about that a little bit. An why Jackson might be an especially great fit for you and then a little bit also about the program generally and the application process and then mainly I'll spend most of the time answering your questions so.

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I think I'm going to get started. This is actually being recorded so.

Anyone who doesn't join or if they joined late they'll be able to access the recording later. So thank you for joining I'm offering up a I am the director of admissions at the Jackson Institute, a little bit about my background. I went to Princeton for undergrad. And while I was there, I was actually majored in the wood is now the school for International.

Public affairs and I was also a Latin American Studies Concentrator After Princeton. I spent a year in Bogota, Colombia, on a Fulbright, which was one of the best experiences of my life. I was looking at the constitutional reforms that Colombia had implemented. They had just ratified a new constitution a few years before the 1991 constitution.

Switched Band Extradition, an had some implications for US drug policy. I was there in 9697. So if you've seen narcos like around season three that was kind of a time frame that I was there.

And it was a fascinating time to be there and I will forever be grateful to Fulbright Commission for giving me the opportunity. After I returned from my Fulbright. I went to Yale Law School, where I got my law degree. I then spent a year clerking for a federal judge in San Juan PR and then at the end of my clerkship 911 happened.

So I joined the FBI as a special agent. I specialized in counterintelligence investigations, which is shorthand for catching spies, so I was monitoring foreign intelligence activity in the United States.

The stuff that you're hearing about now about, you know the spies that are here up to no good is kind of the stuff that I was doing back then. I then returned to Yale Law School as an associate Dean. I was the Dean of admissions there for 12 years, so those of you who might be interested in doing a joint degree with the law school, I might be able to shed some extra light there. Though I'll talk about joint degrees, generally speaking.

About three years ago I moved over to the Jackson Institute, where I'm now a senior lecturer. I teach I teach course on national security law. This fall I'm teaching a class called Russian intelligence information warfare and social media.

And it's a It's a quite timely topic because there are things unfolding in real time and we're looking at both the problem and policy solutions to that.

So that's that's my story, and then I oversee admissions, so this is. I've got my admissions had on mainly here and here to tell you a little bit about the Jackson Institute. You know the Jacksons choose relatively knew compared to most of our peers, which you might be thinking of applying to. Yale has not had a policy school law school in many ways. I think kind of functioned as a.

As a quasi policy school for a long time, and I think we you know, we just didn't fill that space for a long time. So it's been very exciting over the last 10 years as the Jackson Institute has taken shape. We have received approval from the Yellow Corporation to become a school professional school, so right now. We're scheduled in the fall of 2022 to become the Jackson School of Global Affairs and.

That that will mean much of anything substantively in terms of the student experience, except that will have more resources and more faculty and kind of be expanding in all of the ways that.

You know, an Independent School does right now. If that feels confusing, we're actually technically a part of the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences at Yale University, so we Jackson grew out of what used to be the international relations graduate program, and that became the MA in global affairs.

You know, as we become a school in the next year or two will also be transitioning to offering an MPP instead of an MA, and that will likely be an option for the students who applied this cycle. An get admitted you would be grandfathered in and typically what we do when that transition takes place is that students who come in during that transition time be able to choose between.

The degree that was offered when they applied 1st and then the change in the degree, so I'm happy to answer questions about that, but we're trying to move to the MPP over the age, just as a way of again making that full transition to a professional program because we're not, you know, looking at really bringing in students who are pursuing academic career path so we don't have a PhD program.

You know our students aren't typically going into teaching careers. They're going into technology and government and diplomacy and those kinds of fields.

So you know compared to our peer schools. I would say that we're different in a few ways number one. Jackson is quite small our incoming class each year is about 30 to 35 students. Roughly 30 to 40% of those students are international.

And most of our students have been out of school for at least a year, and This is why I think you know, for those of you who been doing fullbrights or had some time off about this is, you know that enhances your application in terms of the pool of candidates were looking for the other way that Jackson is different than our pure schools is that although we are a professional program

and will soon be kind of like the law school in the Forestry School and all these other places. Unlike in other universities that have policy programs where very porous with the rest of the University and that's by design and what I mean by that is that you don't come into Jackson with you know a list of requirements that you only take in Jackson. You are basically going to design your?

Own curriculum based picking and choosing from courses throughout the University and the different programs and departments based on what your particular focus area is.

You know, so if you're interested.

And you know, I'll just use the course that I'm using like if you're interested in you know, Russia, an national security. Then there may be a range of courses that you may take from you know, regional studies from the law school from Jackson and maybe from other place from other departments across the University as well, and your you know, kind of bundle of courses will be different than your classmates.

Because you know your classmates are going to have diverse interests and they will be pursuing other kinds of background skills.

The way that we designed this program is that when you come in with your cohort, you do take three required courses with your incoming class during your first year, two of those are offered in the first semester and one is in the second semester, and two of these are quant classes. One is a history class and so that is kind of the time where you have the common experience you have the bonding experience with your cohort, even though the rest of your classes of your courses are going to be dispersed throughout the University.

So there's a way in which we create that tight knit community among the incoming cohort. The other requirement that we have is that you have two semesters of or that you have language proficiency before you graduate, and that is something that you can test out of. If you you know you got a Fulbright, you may have language proficiency, depending on where you applied to, so if that's something you want to test out if you can.

And even if you do test out of it, you're always welcome to take another foreign language. But we are trying to prepare students for careers in global affairs and a lot of them end up working internationally, and so you know, we do want them to have that proficiency as kind of a hallmark of our program. Basically, the flexibility of our program allows you to.

Get the skills and knowledge and background that you need to make that step to the next phase of your career. So for example, some students are interested in.

You know development and you know social investing and they will take classes in the School of Management which is our Business School. They'll take classes you know in the Econ Department and they're trying to get kind of a lot of those practical skills or background in a particular area in order to pursue that particular career path. So we have a director of graduate studies, Anna Director, Student Affairs, who will basically.

Be able to meet with you individually to figure out what courses make the most sense for you, 'cause it can be a little bit overwhelming to look at the entire University course offerings and figure out what you want to take so we do have guidance on that front as well, and we also have a director of career development who can help advise you in terms of what particular sectors might be looking for in the area that you're intending to go. And I think that's one of the advantages of our small sizes that we are able to provide.

Individualized attention and counseling and guidance in a way. For example, that you know larger schools may not be able to do.

This might be a good time for me to talk about joint degrees. We do have several notable professional schools and programs. I mentioned the School of Management, the Business School, Yale Law School. Of course, our school of Forestry or I think, is now the environment. The School of Environmental Studies.

The school of Public Health. These are all areas that often overlap with what our students are interested in. You may be interested in pursuing a joint degree and what that means is you would basically apply to each of the programs Jackson and the other program separately, and if admitted, you would first begin at Jackson and defer your other program study for a year and over the course of your time.

You would be able to use a semester of your Jackson course work towards the other degree and then you the other program would allow you know, we would basically be allowed to use a semester of the other programs coursework towards the degree that you were in residence two so at if you did. MA JD between Jackson and the law school. You would be in residence at Jackson for your first year, then you go to the law school.

You know, you know you figure out your sequence of study from that point forward, but you'd essentially end up doing 5 semesters at the law school. The recent Masters at Jackson and you reduce your total period of study by one year. So that saves you time, and it saves you money. And if you really want both of those degrees, that is an option you can pursue. What I was telling students about joint degrees is that it is something to think about because of Jackson's flexibility.

So for example, to use the JD joint degree example, if you want to be a lawyer, it would be worthwhile to do the joint degree an get you know your JD because that's something that you need in order to practice law. If you're interested in an area of study for which some specific legal knowledge is required, you know the flexibility of Jacksons program might actually offer you the opportunity to get what you need, rather than having to spend three years.

Doing you know law school so if you're interested in human rights for example.

The law school has an excellent human rights program and you may be able to you know you'd be able to take you know the two or three classes of you know that relate to human rights in conjunction with the rest of the courses that you're taking it, Jackson and that might be that might make more sense if actually having a law degree isn't required for kind of what you want to do the same thing with a business degree or these other things, so.

That's just something to think about.

Um so I have a question here question about the application process. Why are we unable to substitute the L sat for the giardi? Well, the L sat is a law school aptitude test and the Jirari just test different things. So that's you know, we're trying the point of a standardized test is to really be able to.

So haven't standardized and not have a lot of different kinds of tests coming in, so we do require the jirari for applicants. Now we do have an exception to that which is that if you are. You know if you end up in a program at Yale.

Let's say for whatever reason, you decide not to apply to Jackson this year you apply to law school or to the School of Management you get in and you start there for students who are currently students in one of the professional schools at Yale. As a courtesy, we do allow them to submit this test that they used for that program, so current law students at Yale can can apply with the L sat current school management. Students can apply it with the Gmat, and that's partly because we also will have there.

Record their academic record from that program, because they're already enrolled there and that gives us more information you know, especially from the faculty that are already teaching here, so that balances out. But from the outside you would have to take both tests to apply to those programs.

You're welcome.

I don't know if there's other questions you should feel free to, you know. Start typing them. I will talk a little bit about financial aid.

Jackson offers merit based aid. We try to give some kind of financial package to everyone who requests it and we have been able to do that for 100% of people who requested it over the last.

Three years, so when you are filling out your application to Jackson, I would strongly recommend that on the question. Would you like to be considered for financial assistance? Please check yes unless you have outside funding or you know you really don't want to be considered, it does not affect your candidacy at all. What it does allow us to do is to make sure that you were in the pool of people after admission.

Um to whom we can allocate the funding that we have available. It becomes very difficult after we've allocated the funding for people who check no on that box, you come back and say they want to be considered, because then we have to wait for funding to get freed up. We typically offer funding packages in at different levels, so we offer full tuition plus a stipend to cover your entire cost of attendance. We also offer full tuition assistance and then we.

We offer half tuition assistance. Aspiration is ultimately to be able to cover the cost of attendance for everyone, and I think that we're each year we move a little bit closer to that goal, but we're not quite there yet, so we do have to divide up the funding that we have and we do it based on kind of a merit. You know, the top candidates that we've admitted will get the bigger packages.

But as that money gets freed up if they choose not to come here, we will reallocate that to other students.

What other questions can I have?

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Anne.

You may have seen through our communications that we have waived the admissions fee to apply to Jackson until December 1st.

So that can save you some money. The admissions at the application fee is $105.00 so it's worth your time to submit your application. You can submit your application even if you have not taken the jirari or you may not have your letters of recommendation. Those can come in after, but you know you want to fill out your portions of the application and submit it by December 1st to benefit from the fee waiver.

The kind of drop dead deadline is January 2nd. It is fine if your test if you're taking the December Jirari and those tests come in, those test scores come in a little bit after it's fine. Same with the letters of recommendation, but we do generally begin our application review process very shortly after the new year, so you should try to get your application complete by then. As far as your letters of recommendation.

We require 3 letters and I typically recommend students have two academic references and maybe a professional reference. If you have been working if you you put together your Fulbright applications, you probably have some very strong academic references and you know, ultimately, we want to make sure that you know you are academically ready to participate in the Jackson program, which is which is rigorous.

And you know we are interested in any work experience you have, so you can. You can submit a professional recommendation. So I have a question here from Katie. What should we do with whatever recommenders does not have a.org or.edu email? I'm not sure.

What that question means?

Does does the Graduate School portal require that they have a.org or.edu email?

The Graduate School processes the application, so we see them after they've been submitted. So if they are, I don't know if that poses a problem for them. I think as long as your recommender has a legitimate contact information that you know where they could be contacted. I don't know that.

Theyneedthe.org or.edu email, we get professional recommendations all the time we have international students who apply so if you could if you could elaborate on that that you encountered a specific problem. Let me know, or if you're just asking that generally because maybe other schools require that I don't think that should be a problem at Yale.

I'm OK, Danielle's asking would by students who got a Masters in public policy elsewhere not to apply.

Well, I guess if I were reading your application and you already have a MPP, I would be wondering why you're applying to Jackson.

You know?

That's kind of where we're trying to prepare students for careers in public policy, where you know, going to be offering the MPP so you know.

I think you'd have a high bar to to explain why you're getting the same degree again.

If there's if there's a good reason. If they're, you know if this was a program that somewhere which is like substantively completely different than Jackson or Jackson is going to fill some kind of gap that you know you really didn't get elsewhere. I think you know that can be explained, but it would be an unusual person to have in our pool for someone to be applying for the same degree, so you'd need to explain that.

Um?

So Alexander's asking to clarify, would it be preferable for students to include at least one professional letter of recommendation? Or is there no substantial difference if applicant chooses to submit 3 academic letters?

You know that's a good question in terms of whether it be preferable. I I actually think it really depends on the application.

You know?

I think that academic letters often give a lot of information about your abilities. Ann and your interests. You know, so they can be really helpful.

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I don't know that it would be preferable. Here's what I would say you know your academic letters. Let's talk about the function of the different parts of your application.

You know your letters of recommendation are essentially offering to you know are filling gaps and answering questions about your abilities. I think that 3 letters of faculty write letters of recommendation can be helpful. For example, if your test scores aren't exactly where. You want them to be or if your academic transcript might raise some questions. That's when hearing the voice of three faculty members who say.

You know the student is amazing or the student really has you know, these skills can be helpful. I think if that piece is taken care of in other parts of your application. It might be helpful to use that third letter to flesh out some of your professional interests, especially if they were late for example, to your area of study, which you've mentioned in your personal statement. So you know, I would look I would think about your application holistic Lee and say.

You know, if someone were reading this application, what questions would they have and how can I use each component of this application that's under my control to make sure that they get as full of a picture of my candidacy as possible and answer any questions that they have so I don't know Alexander if that answers your question. If you want to give me a follow up, that would be fun.

Me.

So the question here is what is Jackson looking for in a candidate and this is an important question kind of a big question but it's I think it's especially important for Jackson because of our flexibility. An kind of the broad latitude that we give first of all. I think we're clearly looking for someone with a demonstrated interest in global affairs.

And that's partly why I'm really excited to you know have found you know founder away to communicate with the pool of Fulbright students or Fulbright scholars and fellows because you obviously had that you probably articulated that in designing your Fulbright proposal. And that's often frankly for some applicants or hurdle. Because maybe they've been you know really working on domestic issues and kind of having to articulate how that translates into the global arena.

Can be hard. I suspect that that piece will be easy for most of you.

You know connecting that that interest with things that you've done you know personally professionally academically.

And then on to be beyond that. I think we're looking for someone who is able to then take all of that and be able to articulate. You know, the general area and focus that they want to have it, Jack said.

You know people who are self directed an have you know an idea of what they want to gain from Jackson's program or going to be the ones who who thrive.

Just because it you know you have so much freedom. If you really come in knowing, you know, I really want to have some background in, you know this area of business and nonprofits for example and how they work and then complement that with this kind of regional knowledge or this kind of language ability, that's actually helpful. You don't need to know offhand before you get here. You know exactly what sequence of courses you're going to take. That's why we have.

People in Jackson to help guide you, but I think having some general sense of that and being able to articulate that in your personal statement will go a long way again. I suspect that you guys were able to, or you thought about these things and just designing. You know your your Fulbright.

Proposals and steps. So you may have a head start on that front.

Um?

This is a lazy Maya is asking, but a letter of recommendation from an international Fulbright Advisor makes sense to include, even if it may include grammatical or spelling errors. OK, we won't hold the grammatical and spelling errors of your recommendation of your recommenders against you, so don't worry about that part. I would say that in terms of whether you want to get your international Fulbright Advisor really gets to kind of what I said in the previous answer, which is what do you try to convey? Are they going to actually add value?

And provide important information that you want them to convey. An if kind of their fulfill their filling, the role of, say, the professional recommend recommendation.

You know, if if like me you went through college and then you went straight into a Fulbright, and so the Fulbright Advisor is the person who's seen you in this arena and also understands what you were doing in the in the country and how you took advantage of the opportunities there. Yes, I think that would be great, so if that would be a valuable addition to your overall admissions package, I would include it and don't worry about about their grammatical and spelling errors. We.

We are forgiving on that front from them. For you, though, don't have grammatical and spelling errors. Make sure you proofread your application.

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OK.

OK, so Caroline is asking.

The mushrooms have at least one year out of undergrad. Can you elaborate on one kind of professional experience Jackson's looking for and what you are looking for the applicant to demonstrate with respect to professional experience?

It's not always professional experience it sometimes it is there. Fellowships like the Fulbright or like peace core and things like that. So I'm using. I'm using professional experience. This kind of like.

Non academic you know study following undergraduate so it's like kind of broadly speaking an I don't think we're looking for anything specific. I think it is, you know does what you what is the is the path that you chose to follow kind of consistent with what you are saying that you want to do OK.

Someone who decides to say work for a global investment bank after college and is really interested in.

International regulatory policy. the World Bank that is going to make sense. Somebody who works, you know in international finance, after or or finance after graduation but wants to do you know, national security?

That's not going to totally makes sense to me and you know unless that person can really connect the dots. So I think it is less about what you do then how it actually fits in with what you you know what you are saying, is you're kind of focused and what you're interested in. I think it's really about being able to connect the dots in the things that you've done and we've had people come in with finance backgrounds with you know, some have had experience on the Hill. Some have been in the peace core Simon worked.

Intact they've been at Facebook or Google. Some have worked, you know, at international NGOs.

I think we have a range of students who come from a range of backgrounds. It's actually what makes Jackson kind of an exciting place to be, but I think it's also that they're incredibly thoughtful and focused about their interests an what they want to do.

OK.

Oh, Bethany is asking a great question. I'm so glad that you brought this up. What recommendation would you give perspective students who do not have a background in microeconomics or macroeconomics? So fantastic question, because two of the courses that you would take in your first year or quant courses.

And we do want you to have kind of a you know a fundamental grounding in macro and micro before you get to Jackson. Having said that if you did not take that in undergrad don't panic. We what we would ask you to do is to maybe take an online course or get that grounding before you enroll in Jackson. Our director of Student Affairs would work with you on that what I would say is.

You know, if you have 0 background quant background, we will be looking at your can't score on your diari maybe a little bit more carefully, just because that's the only data point that we have on that. So you know, that's where I, I think in terms of your application, it would make a difference.

So in terms of, you know the recommendation I would give, I would say you know if you don't have a background Micro Macro and you do have any kind of Quant, you know courses in your undergrad. You may want to just flag that for the Admissions Committee in your application. Otherwise you know if you're admitted we would. We would just ask you to take those courses before you arrive at Jackson.

OK, now Ariana is asking another question. If you've been out of school for several years.

Is a professional letter of recommendations seen as good enough, and I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean only professional recommendations for your three recommenders and then?

If you can clarify Ariana, but I'll assume that that's what you mean that you may not have academic references because it's been awhile.

I would, so here's where we say I would really try to get at least one academic reference. I think it's important to have a balance because you know. Ultimately, Jackson is an academic program. You will be in classes. You know at schools and departments that are incredibly, you know, competitive and difficult. You know, like the last goal.

So we want to make sure that you have the ability and it. It's possible. Like I said, You know that your transcript and your test scores are going to completely eliminate any doubt about that, and maybe if that's the case, it won't be as much of an issue. I do always like to hear from people who have taught the student just to know what kind of student they were. How. What was it like, and you know, I'm a faculty member too, so that's helpful to me. And you know, many people on our admissions committee, our faculty, you, so it's always useful for them to hear the perspective.

As someone who has taught you in the classroom.

If you absolutely cannot get a an academic reference, I think the next best thing is professional references that can speak to some of those academic aspects, so I would try to get you know at least one of or two of your professional recommenders to talk about your writing, your analysis, you know. Professional recommenders typically talk about things.

Your your teamwork or kind of your ability to deliver things on time and things like that which are great. But what I would suggest is maybe you can think about asking your recommenders if you only have professional references to reframe them into a more of an kind of the skills that that faculty reference might speak to.

Sorry, I think yeah you said all three are professional. Maybe one is academic. Yeah, I think if you had one and you've been out for awhile, that would be OK. And you know 'cause you would have somebody speaking to that aspect.

Um?

So Alexandra is asking whether you should articulate in your application materials. Your plans to take Micro Macro prior to unloading Jackson. You can, but since that's what we would ask you to do, we kind of expect that you would do that.

You know, but I don't think you definitely don't need to write an essay about it if you want to write a sentence about that, that's that's fine. I don't think it will help or hurt either way.

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Trying to think of other things I can.

Mentioned to you.

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I'll wait and see if you guys have any other questions.

Such a quiet group. Here we go to the Jackson website, 'cause I'm going to put in the check box.

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Some of our career information, which you might be interested in.

Um?

By the way, I have mainly been talking about our two year MA program, which is what I assumed that this group would be interested in, but with Ariana mentioning being out of school for awhile. I'm curious whether any of you are thinking of applying to the one year MA ask as I can talk about that a little bit. It's slightly different. It's really intended for a different kind of candidate, so if that is something that you're interested in.

I want to make sure I'll go ahead and say a little bit about it.

OK, I'm gonna get this link to you guys and then I'll say talk a little bit about.

No.

So this is a link that you might want to look at while we're.

Shouting.

Nick and it tells you a little bit about the kinds of jobs locations. Anet underneath those two kind of Big Circle Graphs, it where it says learn more about the jobs are graduates have taken after Yale that will take you to another page, which will actually give you specific.

You know titles and positions that our graduates have taken. You know, around the world in the US, so that can give you kind of a sense of where our students go.

So so Ariana's asking about joint programs.

You're interested in the joint J. D1, so explain how they work in terms of applying so you if you wanted to apply. For example do MA or MPs slash JD you would need to take the Jirari and the L sat in order to apply. Check the Yale Law School website I you know they manage their own policies. It's possible they accept the jirari at the last time I saw they were not, but that may have changed.

No, I'm pretty sure you have to take the L sat.

An I explain how it works in terms of the sequence. One thing I will say is that because I think this is important, especially since some of the other programs at Yale or highly selective, especially the law school. We do entertain joint degree programs with other look programs outside of jail so for example, we have a student right now enrolled who will be doing a joint degree with Harvard Law School. We've had a student who has done a joint degree.

With New York law School and what I would say about that is again, you would have to apply to the program separately. The difference is is that. Obviously, since we're all, you know, the all the Yale schools are under the yellow umbrella. We, you know we have an understanding that students do joint degrees an granting that reciprocal credit is not an issue if you choose to try to do a joint degree with another.

Programme Yale doesn't have control over what that program will will give you credit for and what they won't so for example, our student who is doing the joint degree with Harvard Law School had to go through a soul separate process of petitioning to do the joint degree had to get approval from Harvard to get credit for Jackson course work towards the Harvard. JD, he ultimately did it, but that was you know, we didn't have any role in that.

It's not the end of the world if you don't you would just you know have to do all of the semesters that the other program requires so basically you wouldn't be able to shorten. The time or you know have an ultimately Payless to do both degrees. You could still do them. But that's kind of the additional hurdle. If you do, do a joint degree with another program but I do think that it's.

Important that you know that we do.

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Ariana, within why you lost cool.

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Let's see, we're getting close to the end. I don't know if you got a chance to look at the employment link an if that if you have any questions. Oh, I was going to say talk to you about the MAS and I'll go ahead and do this. 'cause even if you guys aren't necessarily interested, some people who might get this recording might be.

So our master of Advanced Studies program is a one year midcareer degree and like the MA program, it offers flexibility.

It offers flexibility to take you know, courses across the University. You have one year to do it. There's no required courses for that, and there's no language requirement. You know that one year program is really for midcareer professionals, typically people who have at least seven years of experience. Generally, students who are coming in to that one year program. Are, you know, military officers.

Foreign area officers, business executives. You know journalists who often foreign journalists have been.

Looking to get kind of an American perspective on a number of issues, and then they're typically going back into those jobs after this one year program is done. The other very important part of the Ms program is that we do not provide funding for the Ms program. Typically the students coming into that are being funded by their employer or wherever they are. You know who are giving them this one year to do this.

Essentially, you know like educational enhancement and get this degree so you know it's it's pretty different than the MA program. But if you have questions about that.

You know, I'm happy to to answer.

Um?

Think I'm gonna look at our.

I'm going to also put our view book in the chat box. We just got this digitized and we're pretty proud of it, so it may be something that you want to peruse if you have not seen it already.

So you have that there.

Which also has a note an. Then you know we are having a virtual visit day.

In November, which could give you a chance to sit in on some classes.

That's going to be.

Let's see the N1.

November 10th that is on our events page. I will put that here as well.

Um?

The registration is limited, so I would if you're interested in that, try to sign up and you know, because it is limited. Please make sure that you can attend. We often we have been getting for we're trying this for the first time this year because normally we have in person visit days. Obviously we're not doing that this year so try and do it virtually and trying to keep it manageable so that we can have kind of more one on one conversations with people during the day.

So if you if you are unable to go and you signed up, we typically have a wait list and so just ask you to think about your ability to participate in that.

And.

See I'm going over FA cues to make sure that.

Talk to about the fee waiver. Talk to you by E con.

Scholarships testing I think I covered most of it, oh great. I have more questions OK Katie is asking.

Do you have advice for the length and type of writing sample to submit?

Typically people submit a personal statement that just think there's a prompt that gives you what we ask you to write about, which is about your area of interest. I would say generally 2 pages. I mean, there's no specific length I think you should use, you know, say what you want to say, but you know, be judicious.

And in terms of explaining you can also include a resume and that's often very help.

Full in terms of kind of getting an overview of what you're.

You know trajectory is and where you want to go and how it all fits together so I hope that answers your question Katie.

OK.

I'm.

Or wait a couple more minutes in case there's anything else you want to.

Ah.

Discuss.

Same.

OK guys, I think I've answered all your questions and just in an abundance of caution I will put a link to our FA Q Page here too.

So that you have that again, I really encourage you. I hope you guys will apply. I look forward to reading your application. We are waiving the application fee until December 1st, so hopefully you can get started on your application now and like I said, take a look at some of our events and in particular our virtual visit day which may be of interest. By the way, if for whatever reason you can't attend the visit day or.

It gets filled up. Please know that in the event that you're admitted to, Jackson will connect you with current students. We will have a program.

Two day program that will allow you to sit in on classes so it's not going to be the only time that you have a chance to check that out. If you're admitted will do a pretty full program and we turned on a dime last spring and were able to convert our in person program into a virtual one. So if we're still dealing with the pandemic, I'm really confident that we'll be able to still give you a really good window into what life at Jackson is about, both from a student.

As a student an you know through experience, an classroom, an you know careers in summer stuff.

So Ari Anna, saying is already did pasty OK, so we'll take a look and I'll let my assistant director now that there was some interest here and so maybe will increase the cap so go ahead and go ahead and sign up, and put yourselves on the wait list and the last one that we had was also overcapacity just so you know, and then a bunch of people dropped at the last minute and we were able to bring in people from the wait list so.

So we will do our best to try to get you in for that. Thank you so much for tuning in. I know this is your, you know, might be your lunch break and you know you guys have a lot happening and I appreciate your time and I hope this was helpful and I look forward to reading your application. If you applied so take care. Good luck. Stay safe and stay healthy by.